Comments on: The Art and Business of Photography: A Perspective to Ponder https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/ The Sites & Sounds of Creative Expression Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:05:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Hasta La Vista Baby (Until September) « The Art & Business of Filmmaking & Photography https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4152 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:05:16 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4152 […] The follow up to the Jesh de Rox “Twitter tempest” […]

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4151 Wed, 06 Apr 2011 00:37:36 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4151 In reply to Tracy.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment Tracy.

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By: Tracy https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4150 Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:59:26 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4150 Ron. Good thinking, very insightful and appropriate to the issue at hand. I really have no problem with Jesh ‘doing his thing’ its really up to him to decide if the attention received was what he wanted, and adjust (or not). (Of course, I don’t currently make my living from photography, so there’s my disclaimer.)
Anyway, love the subtle (of logs and splinters) and not so subtle ( meteoric rise of mediocre talent) phrasing you used in this post. Keep em coming and continue to stand your ground by keeping everyone honest on holding their opinion as *opinion* not fact.

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4149 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:49:00 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4149 In reply to Todd Beltz.

Thanks for the comment Todd. I appreciate you adding to the conversation.

To be fair to Jesh, he went “on air” the next to clarify what you get for the 1-on-1. It’s not a 1-day workshop. It’s a full on consultation and implementation plan with a money back guarantee. (He should have made that clear up front).

With regards to the 8×10, the justification for the $150 8×10 is totally valid. We all get that. But to the average consumer who doesn’t know about all that work (or care to be frank), it’s still over-priced. Just like most of us didn’t know what really went into Jesh’s 1-on-1. And even now that we know, some people STILL wouldn’t pay that much.

I believe if we can educate clients as to what goes into our work, that would help…some.

Thanks again for participating.

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By: Todd Beltz https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4148 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:31:54 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4148 Thanks for the great article. I about fell out of my chair when I read how this guy, whom I’ve never heard of, is charging people $16,500 for a one day workshop. Some of the top pros in the industry don’t charge nearly has much. Good on him if he gets just one participant but either it’s a marketing gimmick or just a photographer who is full of himself. And his work I would label as being ok but not something I would pay that kind of price to have him train me. But to each it’s own I guess.

Good discussion as well about the price of an 8×10. Sure in the US a person can certainly go to the mass market stores such as Costco, Walgreens, etc and get a print for less than $0.50 but will it be a quality print? More than likely not. Paying a photographer $150 for one 8×10 in my opinion is not expensive at all. Where I live this kind of price is not unheard of nor is it deemed expensive. Once you factor in the burning of the CD, going to a quality lab to get it printed, the cost of printing, picking up the print, delivering it to the client, you have already spent quite a bit of time which equals money.

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By: Blockbuster Video and a Fatal Lesson About Ignoring the Signs « Blade Ronner: Art & Business of Filmmaking & Photography https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4147 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:02:35 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4147 […] Photography is Headed for an Industry StormJesh de Rox's "Beloved" Webinar Ignites a Twitter TempestThe Art and Business of Photography: A Perspective to PonderAbout MeTraining & EducationMy Tapeless Workflow Backup and Archive StrategySeth Godin Asks: Are […]

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By: Emily https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4146 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:33:00 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4146 I can’t help but smile reading this post. I’m a wedding photographer who understands how frustrating it is to make a living from weddings, to help people understand the value in what we do and how hard we work for this living. It’s not an easy road at all despite the perception.

I wouldn’t pay $16,500 for a 1-on-1 workshop with Jesh. I think the things he has to say are valuable, and I am investing in his Life as an Artform workshop, but I can’t afford $16,500 and I won’t pretend I can.

Some photographers out there do charge $16,500 for wedding coverage. Others (like me) don’t. But wedding photographers would be total hypocrites if we berated Jesh for his markup and in the same breath justified our own. He has placed a value on his service (read his blog for a more in-depth description of what his service provides – it’s more than you think) based on his previous experience in offering the same service to other studios, their return on investment, etc. And due to his popularity, I can’t imagine him offering the same service for $1000 a day because he would simply spend every day for the next 10 years or more giving 5,000 1-on-1’s.

I’m not saying that it’s not a huge investment and I’m not suggesting that it couldn’t be better spent. But I also realise that some studios can benefit from it and I’m not the one to judge that.

It’s the crap spewing forth from Twitter that makes me cross, because it demonstrates how nasty and judgmental people can be (not the ones giving a balanced opinion or criticism, but the ones dishing up outright hate) about something they clearly have done little research on. And more than anything, it’s the hypocrisy from other photographers that makes my blood boil.

The “perception of value” comparison between Jesh’s 1-on-1 price and a photographer’s 8″x10″ really hit home. Doesn’t matter a squat that the value of the 8″x10″ lies in our equipment, overheads and experience; it’s the perception of the consumer that will dictate its value. (A family of four with no understanding of how our industry works won’t care; they’ll think it’s ludicrous to spend $150 on a piece of paper they can buy for $0.20 from Walmart). Likewise, some photographers think it’s ludicrous that Jesh offers a 1-on-1 for $16,500 without taking into account his experience, overheads and the product he has to offer.

Rant over.

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By: Lou https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4145 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:24:12 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4145 I think the difference is that I would never charge $16,500 for a one day wedding shoot just like I would never spend the same on a one day workshop. I never question why a client wants to give me their money or how they are going to pay for it or whether they should – that is paternalistic. There are lots of photographers cheaper than me and they are free to use them. Do not make photographers feel guilty for charging amounts that allow them to do the job full time without having second jobs.

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By: Inspiration and Passion « Ted Nghiem | www.tednghiemphoto.com https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4144 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:54:18 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4144 […] And a more level headed discussion […]

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/the-art-and-business-of-photography-a-perspective-to-ponder/#comment-4143 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:59:05 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=3308#comment-4143 In reply to Lynn Daly.

I love the Lynn. We’re all just squirrels trying to get a nut.. 🙂

It’s funny you mentioned curing cancer. In a way, we CAN cure cancer with our craft: http://bladeronner.com/2011/03/08/you-can-cure-cancer-with-your-craft/

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