Comments on: Jim Collins on the State of the Photo Industry https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/ The Sites & Sounds of Creative Expression Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:05:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Hasta La Vista Baby (Until September) « The Art & Business of Filmmaking & Photography https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3615 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:05:22 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3615 […] Jim Collins on the state of the photo industry […]

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By: Kevin Meyers https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3614 Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:50:42 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3614 Jim!

Great point here in talking about how Joe lowers his price AND what he offers accordingly. Cutting prices doesn’t have to mean cutting profitability. But if a person chooses to compete on price to the point they do reduce profitability, they’re on a quick road to commoditization and volume is your only hope. At that point your only route is multi-shooter studios.

While it’s difficult, I’m actually very excited to see the effect this is already having on my business. It’s sharpening the way I make decisions and refocusing my perspective on what I really offer.

Ron…thanks for starting the conversation!

Kevin

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By: Jim Collins on the State of the Photo Industry « Blade Ronner: The … | Jim Collins: Author https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3613 Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:40:18 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3613 […] Original Source Here […]

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By: Jim Collins https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3612 Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:15:31 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3612 Ron,

Wow man. Thanks so much for posting this. You must have been recording it because when I wasn’t playing your amazing films I’m pretty sure everyone was sleeping!

Scott’s on target, no surprise there. There are two keys to success in a down market. One is being smart about your reserves and the other is creating a scarce resource of yourself (differentiation). What I see a lot, and what’s concerning, is that a lot of people actually do the opposite. In an effort to attract customers, they price and package like people who they perceive to be selling (reducing differentiation) and they spend money on elaborate branding projects, new pieces of equipment, etc., in the hopes that what that will yield is some form of differentiating sizzle.

The point about Joe is an interesting one. He’s a good friend so I don’t think he’d mind me saying this. It is true that he photographs J-Lo. In fact, over New Years he shot Kellie Pickler’s wedding in Antigua. (and the images are drop dead gorgeous!) These clients are willing to pay however much for what they want. For them money isn’t a decision factor at all. However, any celebrity photographer will tell you that if you try to build a business solely on celebrities you better live a pretty frugal lifestyle. There simply aren’t that many celebrities. So, for his other clients he HAS had to lower his pricing some. (Joe is smart about how he does that as he also reduces what’s in his packages). In his talks he makes that very clear. With that said, he is still dramatically higher than the market and the reason for this of course is because ultimately, there’s only one Joe Buissink. (and that’s the best differentiation there is!)

Fun stuff Ron. I’m honored to be on your blog. Thanks Scott for the kind remark. Fun to read the discussion here as well…

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By: scottbourne https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3611 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:06:06 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3611 Ron this is a good lesson for all creatives. It is a basic one and it’s important. I think it might be worth noting that beyond the basics of this axiom there is hope and it goes beyond your suggestion of “waiting it out.” While I agree that some photographers will drop out of the market because it is indeed hard, this isn’t the only event that would cause those who remain to have hope.

The supply and demand curve, as suggested by one of your other commenters is indeed influenced by demand AT A CERTAIN PRICE POINT. Demand curve shits and elasticity (often tied to price as well) can make the supply side less relevant – and therefore, can allow for greater success when the creative business person finds the optimum price point.

Example. If you work at the low end of the market, the supply will be far greater than the demand in today’s marketplace because most creatives have mistakenly decided that cutting price is the only way to survive. In making that decision, they have eliminated the middle. The folks working at the high-end of the market see less supply already due to people dropping down to the low end, so the demand there is proportionately higher.

In summary – you don’t have to just wait it out. If you move up market you can gain market share right now.

Thanks for posting Jim’s point of view. He’s a smart guy.

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3610 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:10:52 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3610 In reply to Ross Sales.

Ooooh Ross. You goin’ total econ on me with the whole elasticity issue. Are you also a recovering business major turn creative like me. 🙂 I couldn’t agree with you more.

Quick econ lesson for those reading. If something is inelastic, changes in price have little affect on the demand. As Ross pointed out, regardless of price, a bride will always get photography (in general. Yes. there are a few occasions where they don’t. But they’re as rare as a four leaf clover). If something is elastic, that means changes in price will have an impact on demand. Wedding videography is definitely more elastic then photography. Most brides opt out of it all together b/c it’s not worth the price. Fortunately, we are seeing that change.

Thanks for reading Ross and for your compliment on the bleak and bright blog posts. 🙂

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By: Ross Sales https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3609 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:59:14 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3609 Hi Ron. This post is great. And your Bright & Bleak posts are awesome.

I feel that the demand for an average wedding photog is fairly inelastic (straight vertical line). I mean, ALL brides get a photog. But I don’t think filmmakers are there yet. Only 10-20% of brides get video. What filmmakers need is to see the the demand for our services increase. Bigger pie, higher prices, happy people.

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3608 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:29:29 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3608 In reply to TJ McDowell.

There are so many factors at hand. Not the least of which is location. As far as the “J-Lo” market, I would guess there are a lot of “regular” people who hire Joe. People willing and able to spend $10K, but aren’t celebrities. Many of those people are perhaps more affected than the J-Lo’s of the world, so business can be affected. Not to mention that California as a whole is getting hit hard economically. Yes, it’s still as expensive as heck to live out there, but nonetheless, times have changed.

I would guess the three or four photogs in your market who went out of business contributed to the growth of the others. That’s supply and demand at work at a micro level in your area. 🙂

Thanks again for reading and contributing to the conversation.

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By: TJ McDowell https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3607 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:52:48 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3607 Hmm – I’m suprised that Joe Buissink had to make adjustments. His target market is J-Lo and her friends. I wouldn’t have thought that market would have changed too much. For example, at least in our area, the upper end housing really hasn’t suffered nearly as much as the lower end housing. I haven’t heard anything recently on how the upper end housing is selling here, but I know that at least for a while when things seemed bad for middle-class America, the upper-class in our area was largely unaffected.

For photographers that we know around here, I think the ones with talent have seen growth over the past 2 years. There are 3 or 4 studios that have gone out of business, so that may be the reason for the growth of the other studios I suppose.

I guess it’s just a matter now of waiting to see how the photography market shapes up over the next few years. Thanks for the great article and insight!

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By: Ron Dawson https://daredreamer.com/jim-collins-on-the-state-of-the-photo-industry/#comment-3606 Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:36:38 +0000 http://bladeronner.com/?p=2656#comment-3606 In reply to TJ McDowell.

It’s been a while since my econ class at Berkeley (a side note, my econ professor was none other than THE Laura Tyson), but I think the answer to your question is “Yes” and “No.” Yes, technically, you could look at the supply and demand of service providers at every level. If you’re in the market for a Carlos Baez level photog, there are only so many of them around and the price he can charge will be affected by that. But, at a macro level, ALL levels will be affected by this general supply and demand. There ARE photogs who were chiefly at the high level, who have seen drastic changes in their business in the last couple of years. At PartnerCon, even Joe Buissink publicly shared some of the challenges even HE has faced. There will be fewer people able to afford the Joe Buissinks, Carlos Baezes, and Mike Colon’s of the world. Yes there will still be demand for them, but on the grander scheme of things, their businesses will most likely be affected just like everyone elses. Joe can still charge “Joe Buissink” level prices, but what he offers and where he has to go to get those clients have been significantly affected.

Regardless, there will always be exceptions to the rule. I’m sure there are photos and videogs out there whose business, for whatever reason, has INcreased over the past two years. More power to ’em.

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